it's time for the kamov

[[ATOW]Goschie]

As i've been studying and testing the black shark (kamov) in game and the real one, i've noticed a mistake BIS had made while creating the black shark. The black shark can do a full pedal spin (flat spin) at top speed. This is a major reason why the black shark was made. So I was wondering if the mod team could please IF IT'S ALL RIGHT WITH BIS, make a pbo that would fix the flat spin. Before anybody gets started though, will the russians reconsider the black shark if the flat spin is fixed? I think the flat spin being fixed would have a huge balance affect for the russians. And make it a hell of a lot easier for everyone all around to report in enemy and friendly choppers.

What do you all think?:)

[[IRT]Super64]

Pvt.Goshie, im not trying to rain on your parade or anything. But if you ever spend any time over at the BIS forums, there are many threads of people complaining about the KA-50. And in that bee hive of modders that gathers there, not one has been able to change the flight characteristics of aircraft in the game ArmA. It would be awesome to have the KA-50 handle like the real one. But you might as well get in line with the other 1,200 players that feel the same. Actually the KA-50 isn't a bad bird if one knows how to fly it though. But asking our mod team to do what the ArmA community has not yet been able to do, is a tall wish.

[{A}3|LCpl.7]

Never really been about the flight physics. Our pilots would prefer the KA, but the only issue for me that needs to get resolved is a gunner. Been looking for one over a year now, so at this point, it may not happen until ArmA2. A 160 degree arc, free roaming gunner vs a fixed gun is no contest. ;)

[[IRT]36th|CPL.OV3RLORD]

I read somewhere that someone is working on a two seater KA-50, cant rember were but its in development

[[DI]I|SSGT.Sprite]

ye its for the chechnyan (sp?) mod

[PuFu_]

Isn't the ka50 a one seater after all? To be honest, yes, it's not the same as the cobra, but it's not such a bad aircraft to fly with. By different it doesn't really mean bad. needless to say that the gunner "sights" make it quite easy to fly and gun.
What could be done regarding the cobra is to deny it's weapons from the pilot seat, needing two guys to fly it all the time - no more manual fire.

If you are talking about the ka-52 (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/24/Ka-52_061.jpg), then yes, that's a tandem two seater, and i'd love to see it at some point.
But a more realistic even russian "brother" of the cobra would be
the Mi28 Havoc (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/97/Mi-28_Havoc.jpg):

[Raptor-6]

Well if you US guys are so hyped up on the KA-50, we'll just give you the KA-50 and we'll take the Cobra. That way both sides won't have the same attack chopper and the infantry won't be confused any longer. For all the realism nuts, we can just say that the Russians commandeered a ship full of cobras. They didn't have a place to put them so they parked their KA-50's in the desert to mothball them and the US pilfered the bunch of them.

[[DI]I|Cpl.Dren]

You have Vodka, we have better equipment!
I just keep thumbs up for russian version of tank and helo, for making them easyer to spot on field.
I think tank and helo is the only one where we really try to push for balance and forgot some other small things

[[ATOW]BarmyArmy]

So much enthusiasm for the Kamov ... on the US side....

... strange... the Russians still call it the flying coffin...

When a decent two seater KA-52 appears it will be eagerly taken out for a test flight by the balance team like it was christmas...

until then Cobras alround...

BA

[[IRT]Super64]

RB|Sgt.BarmyArmy;61896']So much enthusiasm for the Kamov ... on the US side....

... strange... the Russians still call it the flying coffin...

When a decent two seater KA-52 appears it will be eagerly taken out for a test flight by the balance team like it was christmas...

until then Cobras alround...

BA

Mod team should give the US side a few KA-50's for this Sunday. I'll show they aren't so much the flying coffins as believed. :cool:

[Jamie]

MAW|MajGen.Super64;61898']Mod team should give the US side a few KA-50's for this Sunday. I'll show they aren't so much the flying coffins as believed. :cool:

Im game for that.

[[ATOW]Goschie]

Unchangeable? Thats a shame. I guess the legal hacking ends here. I'm surprised that they would let such an unrealistic thing in the game. The point of the ka50 was it's flexibility. I don't like to point this out but the weapon platforms on the sides are also supposed to move up and down, including the main gun. BIS cheezed out on this helo...

[[7]9|PA.ru!ner]

1st|Pvt.Goschie;61938']Unchangeable? Thats a shame. I guess the legal hacking ends here. I'm surprised that they would let such an unrealistic thing in the game. The point of the ka50 was it's flexibility. I don't like to point this out but the weapon platforms on the sides are also supposed to move up and down, including the main gun. BIS cheezed out on this helo...

Not to burst the Russian's bubble but the cannon on both the Ka-50 and Ka-52 are semi-rigidly mounted and not very movable. Plus it is mounted on the right side of the fuselage which means it will not pan to the left at all. They both rely on the chopper's maneuverability and improved accuracy of the rigid mount to make up for the lack of an aimable cannon.

Source: http://wmilitary.neurok.ru/ka50/ka50story1.html



Eventually, a decision was made to install it in the mass centre sector starboard between the gearbox support spars which is the most rigid and strongest place in the fuselage. This arrangement lessened recoil impact on the helicopter and provided the accuracy of fire two-three times higher than that of the Mi-28 helicopter armed with the same 2A42 cannon or of the AH-64A equipped with the M230 Chain Gun cannon. The limitations imposed on the cannon azimuth deflection angle by such an arrangement were counterbalanced by the coaxial-rotor helicopter's ability to perform turns with the angular speed matching that of the mount turning speed of other cannon systems. Therefore, the V-80 cannon can be promptly trained at the target by way of readjusting the position of the helicopter fuselage.


http://www.kamov.ru/market/photo/50str.jpg

[[DI]I|Cpl.Dren]

never ever saw that someone has really used the MG's of helos.
And Ru!ner baby, change your tags back! You my dear are not going anywhere.

[[7]9|PA.ru!ner]

RB|1Lt.Dren;61970']never ever saw that someone has really used the MG's of helos.

Its pretty easy to kill soft targets and infantry with the cannon. That and other choppers.

[[DI]I|Cpl.Dren]

So why you waste missiles on me then! ;) allways...
Now that we have SAM's in game, i think its bit more harder to really take use out of it... but im just ground target..

[[7]9|PA.ru!ner]

RB|1Lt.Dren;61974']So why you waste missiles on me then! ;) allways...
Now that we have SAM's in game, i think its bit more harder to really take use out of it... but im just ground target..

The rocket Mi-17 doesn't have a cannon... only rockets. The AH-1, Ka-50 and MH-6 are the only helos with a forward looking cannon.

[BazookaBoy]

is the MH-6 armed? I though it was transport only

[Moody]

He means AH6 id imagine...

[[IRT]Super64]

is the MH-6 armed? I though it was transport only

We found a way to tie Dren and Moody to each skid rail. They shoot their guns when we get close to something. Of course each time we land, they have to respawn. lol

[[DI]I|Cpl.Dren]

im glad that we rolled to tour 2, as now we have resources to buy AH-6... and we were running low on ducktape anyway..

[[7]9|PA.ru!ner]

is the MH-6 armed? I though it was transport only

Whoops. Got my variants all confused.

[[ATOW]BarmyArmy]

Trying two privates with SAW/M249s onto the wings of an MH6 which a killer idea.
Tho I think using M136s for rockets wasn't such a good plan they looked a little "toasty" when they came back.

I certainly never expected you to volunteer tho... "like radical" dude.

BA



RB|1Lt.Dren;61980']im glad that we rolled to tour 2, as now we have resources to buy AH-6... and we were running low on ducktape anyway..